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EP140 Advocacy at the Forefront with Nura Anwar
Aman Chopra: Folks, welcome back to another episode of the "I AM GPH podcast." And today, we're very excited to have a very multifaceted guest, Nura Anwar. Nura is the Director of Diabetes Prevention and Periodic Initiatives at NYC Health + Hospitals. But what's interesting is Nura's career or in academia, started with a BA in psychology and global dance. Doesn't global dance sound very public health? In that period of time, Nura did other things, which we're gonna talk about, and eventually transitioned into the world of public health where she did a master's in public health in health and human rights. In between these periods, Nura has done teaching. She's currently teaching at GPH as well with some other classes and doing a variety of other things. We can't wait to hear about your multifaceted career, Nura. Welcome to the "I AM GPH podcast."
Nura Anwar: Thank you so much, Aman, for having me. It's a pleasure to come back here and be a part of this podcast.
Aman Chopra: So tell us about this thing where, how does someone, first of, what is a BA in global dance? How does one even start there?
Nura Anwar: Yeah, so when I was here as an undergraduate student, I was at the College of Arts and Science and I was studying psychology as my major. I was on the pre-med track. I'm South Asian, and you know, in our communities, it's either you become a doctor or you become an engineer in a lot of our families. And I had wanted to be a doctor, so I was in that field. However, Tisch had something called the Open Arts Curriculum and so you were allowed to do a cross-school minor. So I actually have a minor in global dance. And through the cross-school minor, I took Chinese dance, I took ballet, African, Indian, Kathak, a whole bunch of different classes. And for me, that was the way to stay sane with my science classes. It definitely brought creativity and balance to my life.
Aman Chopra: And then how was it doing psychology with that? What was the world of psychology like when you were doing your new, another world of global dance simultaneously?
Nura Anwar: You know, psychology, I think it's so important to just understand how the human mind works, and the way the pre-med classes were, it's not a major, right? So you have to have your major plus the pre-med classes. And so psychology was something that I was interested in, especially when it came to research and just all the different topics that are talked about in psychology. So I had that, the psychology part, the psychology classes, the pre-med classes, and then having the dance again. So I would be running from, you know, my morning dance class with two and a half hours of dance into organic chemistry. And then from organic chemistry, I would have my cognition class. So it was a lot to jumble and to like just balance. But at the same time, I think it was rewarding and it just all kind of fell into place.
Aman Chopra: I'm sure some students watching this podcast right now are doing midterms whenever they're watching this. What is a midterm in the world of global dance like?
Nura Anwar: For a lot of my classes, we actually had to create our own piece based on the techniques that we learned throughout the semester. And so we presented it to the entire class. You know, you had your time to work on it, and then you took feedback from the students in that class. And some of the professors were, you know, they would say, "You don't have to include all the techniques, just one small thing and then just run with it." And I think I liked having that ability to just kind of think outside of the box and I would bring in sort of my personal background and dance as well. So I did a lot of Indian dance growing up, so I would try to do a lot of sort of fusion in these classes and everyone would really enjoy it. So yeah.
Aman Chopra: I love this. After you graduated, then before you joined GPH, there was a big gap of things you were doing out in the real world. What do you do after you finished your undergrad?
Nura Anwar: To understand that, I kind of have to rewind back a little bit. So when I was in the seventh grade, I really wanted to be a cardiologist. I wrote a 15-page paper about the career of a cardiologist. And you know, family, friends had their, had my name saved on their phone with dash cardiologist. So it was something that everybody knew. I made it completely like viral, I guess you could say. But then, as I was taking my pre-med classes, what I had also done was I was shadowing a lot of doctors. And as you mentioned at the beginning, that whole multifaceted part of me, doctors would tell me that, "You know, if you go into the field of medicine and you practice as a physician, you're gonna have to sacrifice a lot. And so a lot of these skills you have, you know, the dance and all these things that you're involved in, you may have to let go of that to just focus on medicine." And you know, they were like, "Are you really ready to make that sacrifice and is it worth it in the long run?" And so keeping that in mind, I actually decided after I completed undergrad to not take my MCAT. So all I had to do at that point was just take that MCAT and apply, but I didn't do it. And I decided, "You know what, let me go into teaching for a while." 'Cause again, I was in this phase of where I wasn't completely sure what I wanted to do. And public health at that time also didn't quite align with my life yet. But while I was teaching, I came across some organizations and just where I worked. So I found a lot of inspiration from my mentors and that helped me pivot into public health.
Aman Chopra: What kind of teaching was it? So how did you even get started in teaching?
Nura Anwar: You know, I used to be like a tutor. I would do like one-on-one tutoring since I was in high school. And so after I graduated from NYU, one of my best friends, she actually opened up her own learning center, and we went to NYU together, we volunteered together, and then she got her masters in neuroscience while I was still kind of, you know, trying to figure out what I should get my next degree in or where to take life. And she opened up her learning center, and together with her, I helped sort of create curriculums and I was doing a lot of one-on-one tutoring but also doing classes. And so, you know, doing your regular ELA, math type of courses, test prep courses, and then at the same time, another opportunity came up where I started teaching at a nonprofit called the College Readiness Program, and that was funded by DOE. And in that program, I actually worked with high school students who were applying to college, who came from either low socioeconomic status or they're the first ones to go to college in their family or they had a lot of barriers when it came to accessing education. First, that started off as just SAT test prep and then that started to pivot into helping them do their college essays, preparing for college, going through FAFSA, going on college tours with them, and just listening to all their stories and everything. And just understanding like how important it is to have a mentor and to have someone guide them through the process because I myself didn't have a mentor to help guide me through this whole college readiness process. And through that, I was enjoying it. Again, like I said, I learned a lot, and especially like, I think there was a point of connection to those students because I'm also from an immigrant background, I'm first generation here, first, you know, in among my parents to go to college. And so I think that relatability and being able to create curriculums, talk to families, talk about the importance of education, I think that was really near and dear to my heart, and that's probably why I returned back here to teach again in the future. But yeah, that's sort of how I went into that.
Aman Chopra: So you, it seems like you're guiding students through their lives and making big life decisions, something that you didn't have access to but you figured it out on the path, and you wanted to create something for others in the time you had. And then I'm curious to know, how did public health come into play then from there?
Nura Anwar: You know, one thing I did as an undergrad student, and I tell my undergrad students now to do this too, you need to network and you need to attend as many conferences as you possibly can. So while I was pre-med, I attended a lot of different conferences, from picking up stethoscopes to learning about how other folks of color got into medical school or how they pivoted in their careers. And I had all, you know, all these materials that I picked up, their brochures, their flyers, all these things. And so I was kind of, actually, I was looking back at those things and that's when I saw, you know, there were pamphlets about getting a public health degree, at the same time, at the College Readiness Program, the director of the program, I was speaking to him like, "You know, what should I do about my career? What do you suggest?" And I had spoken to him and I was like, "You know, I really wanna explore public health. It sounds interesting. And then I kept attending info session after info session at different schools. And I won't forget this, but there was one specific story where the dean of the school during the open house had mentioned how she's a provider and she said how she had this patient who would, who came into her office and complained about back pain. So she, as you know, any doctor would, she diagnosed the problem and she gave her medication and said, "Let's try out this medication. Come back to my office in three months." So the patient comes back in three months and the back pain is still there. And the provider is like, "Did you take your medication?" And the patient's like, "Yeah, I did. You know, I took my medication." And the medications, you know, she finished the container too. And then the doctor starts asking some more questions about, "Oh, where do you live? You know, what do you do?" That kind of thing. So it was the elderly patient. And then the patient said, that the building that the patient was living in, she was on the top floor. She didn't have access to hot water and there was like only one, I guess running line of hot water and that was located on the first floor. This patient carried buckets of water up and down, these five flights of stairs, and she's elderly. And so then the doctor was like, "I can prescribe pill after pill to you, but until your housing situation, until your access to hot water, until that situation gets taken care of, your back pain is not going to improve." And I don't think I ever forgot that story about all the factors outside of just, you know, seeing a patient and prescribing a medication that can influence their life. And I heard that story. So that was one thing that really had me hooked. The other thing, I know Helen Arteaga was also part of this podcast. Helen was a huge inspiration for me to go into public health. I had volunteered in her clinic with that same best friend who opened the learning center in the summertime. Helen told us, "You know, you want to," and at that time, of course, I want to be a doctor, but Helen had us anywhere and everywhere, from, that was also a time where Obamacare was gonna get taken away. She had us petitioning, speaking to folks literally who lived in Corona. She had us doing presentations about how much sugar is in your drink, how much is in your cereal, speaking to patients, shadowing doctors. She had us anywhere and everywhere. And she kept saying to us, "If you want to be a good provider or you really wanna serve the community, you need to be involved in every single part of what is considered healthcare." And so I started sort of connecting those pieces. And before you know it, I applied for the advanced certificate programs. So those are the programs where you take the core classes of the public health curriculums. And then if you like it, you can go ahead and pursue your full masters, or if you don't like it, it's not gonna hurt you, right? Because you took the general courses. And so I did that, I did that at NYU. And then I was like, "Okay, I'm hooked. This is it, this is what I wanna do." And I always say this, "I don't wanna help one person at a time. I want to make sure that I'm able to help a population at a time. So what can I do where it's not one-on-one, but really, like something on a grander scale?" Yeah.
Aman Chopra: Health and human rights, I think that's where that kind of came in, right? Where everyone has the right to this, and that was your core belief, I'm assuming that made you take this direction when you did your degree.
Nura Anwar: My concentration for my MPH was global health. And at that time, because I completed the advanced certificate in public health where I took the, and it was like a general advanced certificate. Because I completed that when I started my MPH or decided to go into that direction, I didn't have a lot of courses left to take. So I did finish my program early. I will always say this, I'm a nerd at heart. I love school, I love homework, I love learning. This has been me ever since I was a child. So I said, "You know what," I could have graduated a little bit more earlier, but I said, "Let me see what other advanced certificates are offered and what can I take." While I was taking my global health classes, I had a lot of whys that came up. So, you know, why can't people living in Sub-Saharan Africa, you know, access this? Why can't people in South Asia access care to mental health? So there's a lot of whys. And you know, in the classes, they told us about like what the reality is, right? Like this is what's happening, this is what's not happening, here's the gaps. But there's this element of knowing about sort of the laws, the policies, like there has to be a higher governing board, right? That allows this or that can sort of change access, availability to care, to resources. And one of the advanced certificates was the health and human rights one. So I felt like if I took, if I went ahead and I took those classes and I got my advanced certificate in health and human rights, it's like maybe I'll find out a little bit more about this why that I'm asking about. And it was perfect, like it made so much sense. I was like, "Oh, okay, this makes sense why people can't access it or this is a fundamental human right, right?" There needs to be more happening on an advocacy level or people need to be held accountable for what they're doing, right? Like are there things that governments are doing, that decision boards are doing, and just learning about those things. It really helped put the pieces together, I would say.
Aman Chopra: Were there any pivotal moments in your GPH path that led you to this success that, I mean, perhaps let's take a step back on, in that question, right? Where did you end up after GPH? So when GPH finished, I know you're at NYC Health + Hospitals right now, did you start there? Did you start somewhere else? What was that path like after you graduated?
Nura Anwar: Because I had sort of like an advanced standing and I could have finished my degree a little bit earlier, so I actually was able to do two internships. So as a part of the GPH graduation requirements, you have to do your applied practice experience. And so you have to go through an internship, and basically, depending on your concentration, you might have to write a thesis paper or it might be a capstone project, and we have a poster presentation we have to do, and there's courses you have to take for this. So I actually did my first internship with the Population Council, and that was more global health-related work. It was actually about girls education on a global health level and barriers and things. After I completed that internship, me being the person I am and always looking for opportunities, GPH used to send around these emails every Friday talking about opportunities that are available to students. And within that email, there was one that came from NYC Health + Hospitals from Queens Hospital. And they were looking for someone who has a psychology background, has worked with children, and also is in public health.
Aman Chopra: Wow.
Nura Anwar: So I applied. I finished my Population Council internship on Friday, and literally, Monday, I started at the NYC Health + Hospitals one.
Aman Chopra: You don't stop, do you?
Nura Anwar: No.
Aman Chopra: And then, so when you ended up there, what were the pivotal moments at GPH, I'll ask that question now, that led you into that direction perhaps? Was there, you mentioned that Helen Arteaga was a big mentor of yours and a big inspiration as well. Were there any moments that you had while enrolled in the program that took you in this direction?
Nura Anwar: Yeah, that's a great question. So, you know, it's interesting, and funny honestly, people think sometimes that the concepts that you're learning, if you're taking the global health sort of concentration, some people might think global health is completely removed from like health when we talk about it on a national or statewide level. There are so many parallels, it's unbelievable. And so when I took my global health classes, you know, there were classes like strengthening health systems and low, middle-income countries. There were classes about women's reproductive health and what type of programs are available. And, you know, there were classes talking about accessing care, gaps in care. And again, you would think these are issues that are only relevant to like the global world, or again, the low middle income countries. But it's actually, given the fact that we're in New York City and we have such a diverse population and we see, you know, folks from all different backgrounds, those issues are actually very, very relevant to us here as well. And so I wanted to take on sort of internships in the New York City level to understand what is working and what is not working, and then hopefully in the future, to take the lessons learned from there and apply it to maybe a future career in more of the global health area. And so, for example, if I'm talking about reproductive health, as part of my internship at NYC Health + Hospitals, one of the things I had to do was I was part of this centering parenting program where families would come in and instead of having your primary care visits for the child where you just, you know, go in to see the doctor, it was a group system. So you're in this group with all these new moms and new babies, and you have doctors coming in, you have the librarian coming in, you have psychologists coming in, and they're approaching this community as a group. And so to recruit those moms though, I had to go into the OB department. I had to speak to the moms when they were expecting. So it's like the things that I learned right from my reproductive health class, from my LMIC health system strengthening classes, I was applying those skills here, right? And I would say also in the global health concentration, one thing that I really liked, and I tell everyone about this, it was very hands-on. It was very, "Okay, here's the issue, how are we going to tackle this?" And we would also always kind of pull back and think about, "Okay, what are the different factors that are involved here, right? What are the social determinants of health? How can we change that? What are the small ways that we can intervene to have a larger impact?" And so those skills that I learned about sort of on, you know, hands on, this is what we can do on the spot. In my internship, there was a lot of room for innovation, and my supervisor at that time who I refer to as my work mom, Dr. Marcy Stein-Albert, she's phenomenal. She took me anywhere and everywhere. So she took me to-
Aman Chopra: Wow.
Nura Anwar: Obesity, meetings about obesity development. She took me to a program where they were talking about parenting, maternal health, pediatric health, and sort of the bridge between all three, from deciding planning charters all the way to helping complete reports and like posters for presentations and conferences. Because she exposed me to so much and she would ask me, you know, "What do you think?" Or, you know, "You're studying public health, does this make sense?" Or, you know, "We want to design a program for youth, for teenagers, what do you think makes most sense?" And so I was able to apply that sort of hands-on experience thinking on the spot, and I was able to bring a lot to the conversation within these internships, which I think has really made a difference for me.
Aman Chopra: I mean, these sound like careers in and of itself while you're enrolled in school. You mentioned this thing which we have brought up before on the podcast, social determinants of health. For someone that's listening to the podcast for the first time, what are social determinants of health? It's something we hear very often.
Nura Anwar: Yeah, so social determinants of health, I guess the way you can think of it is almost like, these are the factors that influence and can impact a person's health that you wouldn't normally think about. And just to give some examples, a person's education level, a person's race, a person's, let's say, where they're living, right? Are you living in a rural community versus a urban community? What you're eating, right? Your environment, all these different things that play a huge role in a person's life and their health outcomes. There's a quote that we say in public health which is, "Your zip code determines your health."
Aman Chopra: Wow.
Nura Anwar: And I think that's like the best way to explain social determinants of health, I think.
Aman Chopra: Whew, that's a good way, your zip code determines your health. I mean, that should be a soundbite. We'll probably put that on TikTok. There is a, I wanna know more about the role you're in now. How did that, was that role, I know you applied for that role, that was very specific. It's so weird when I see diabetes prevention and pediatric initiatives in one thing.
Nura Anwar: Yeah.
Aman Chopra: I've never seen a title like that in my life. How does that come to play? Is it something that's created? How do the two of them go together?
Nura Anwar: When I did my internship, it was at Queens Hospital. It was in the pediatric department. And then at the same time, New York City Health + Hospitals, as does many hospitals, now, there's this whole push towards like having a global health department or a population health department. And New York City Health + Hospitals, they have a office of Population Health and Ambulatory Care. And so within that department, there was a chronic disease and prevention team. It's still there. And under the chronic disease and prevention team, they focus on diabetes treatment, prevention. They focus on different types of cancers. They also focus on developing data and dashboards around obesity, diabetes, all these types of things. However, this concept of bringing in pediatrics into the population health way of thinking of things, you know, people don't always kind of bridge those two things together. And so when I was doing my internship, Dr. Stein-Albert kept encouraging me to apply for full-time positions, and I wasn't totally sure. But there was this opportunity where they were hiring for an assistant director of Pediatric Initiatives. It would be housed though under the chronic disease and prevention team. And so I applied for it. And because I attended all these meetings with Marcy, I had an idea of what they were trying to do also, like what are their priorities? Like how do they wanna see not only the lives of patients improve when we talk about obesity and chronic disease prevention, but also like what are things we can do on a grander scale, right? Thinking above and beyond for our patients. And so then, I had applied to it. But when I applied for it, I actually had to pivot into COVID work because the first day I went into work, I picked up my ID and I came home because that was the day of New York City's shutdown. So I had to do, I was able to do a lot of COVID work. And then eventually, I came back into the Office of Population Health to continue this work of Pediatric Initiatives. And so I was handling the obesity work group, the pediatric obesity work group. And that's really a group of folks in the system who are really passionate about improving the outcomes, preventing pediatric obesity, and for folks who already have it, to talk about treatment and what we can do. And you know, the earlier you intervene, the larger an impact you can have. And so after that, I started doing a project about the early intervention program. So this is a national program. It differs from state to state. And in New York, in New York City, it's a program where children between the ages of zero to three. If you have a developmental delay or a disability, you can go ahead and get evaluated by the Early Intervention Program. If the child qualifies, they will receive free services like occupational therapy, speech therapy, those kinds of things. So that was another project that was sort of added on for me to work on in terms of exploring pediatrics. And it came in with an equity lens, right? Like they wanted to take a look at the referrals and the disparities in the referrals for New York City. And because NYC Health + Hospitals is the largest healthcare system, municipal healthcare system in the entire country, we have a lot of, not just cases, patients, but there's just always so much going on. So that was the pediatrics part. But then because I'm under the chronic disease and prevention team, there was also an opportunity for me to get trained with CDC and to become a diabetes prevention coach.
Aman Chopra: Wow.
Nura Anwar: And so now, that role has pivoted into a director role. I'm still doing my pediatric projects, but at the same time, I'm helping to sort of expand the diabetes prevention program, which is an evidence-based program to prevent patients who have pre-diabetes from actually tipping over into diabetes.
Aman Chopra: Got it.
Nura Anwar: So that's, those are the different things I'm sort of balancing. And again, like I'm able to put my hand into many different topics, like through this role and unique position that I'm in, which is great for me and just population health and global health and everything that I bring to the table.
Aman Chopra: You know, when I'm talking to you, I've lost track in a way of how many things you have done. This comes from here, this comes from there. That comes from there, that comes from there. And while some people prefer sticking to one path, you have a multifaceted path, and you have a large umbrella where it's populations, not persons, persons in terms of population is how you're thinking. Someone who's probably 16 right now watching this or someone that's signing up for their master's program and thinking, "I really wanna do something big." How do they think like you did? 'Cause you've kind of paved your own way by doing different things and you have found your why, you have found your path, what was that like for you? It seems like there were a lot of setbacks that happened as well in the process. How would you guide someone in that process where like, try everything, try this much only, what's the prescription for that without being a doctor?
Nura Anwar: And it's funny that you've mentioned without being a doctor because I do think back to what those doctors told me, right? That like, "Are you ready to make that sacrifice?" And that was something that I kept hearing over and over. Anytime you're pre-med, that word sacrifice or compromise comes up way too often. And so for me, I wanted to kind of shift that. I wanted to think about what is the path that I can go down where I don't have to make so much of a compromise and sacrifice? I'm the one that's going to be working, and if I don't feel happy and satisfied with my life or what I'm doing, so if I don't feel like I'm impacting people's lives, that for me is a point of reevaluation, a time to step back. And you always have to choose, you have to say to yourself, "Okay, these are the parts of me that I bring to the table and that I like and that I want to continue enhancing." Right? Once you select those things, I think it becomes a lot more easier to navigate the path that you wanna go down. I would say I'm still searching, I'm still doing a lot, but I still wanna say that I'm not kind of sealing down to just one type of specific area, right? And that's also what is a driving force that brought me into public health. It's so diverse, right? Like I can pivot, you know, I can work my director job with health and hospitals, but at the same time, I can also teach, right? And then I can also do advocacy work, I can also do mentoring. So I get to have my hands in many different things, and I think that's the beauty of public health also, public health careers, that you don't have to just say, "Okay, I'm just gonna be a researcher and that's it." There's so many different ways to stay involved and make an impact, right? The more ways you're involved in, the more pathways there are for you to make an impact on someone's life.
Aman Chopra: Involve to evolve.
Nura Anwar: Yes.
Aman Chopra: There's this, you mentioned right now where, "Now, I can be a director, I can teach, I can do mentorship." The last word, which I didn't hear at all throughout our conversation was advocacy. What does that mean? We were talking a bit about it offline, off camera.
Nura Anwar: Yeah.
Aman Chopra: What is advocacy to you that this is another big pillar of your life it seems?
Nura Anwar: Absolutely. You know, so when you work in organizations, people will always say it's important to understand the organization's culture, right? To pick up on what is acceptable, what is not acceptable. But also within every organization, everyone is working under some boundaries, and those boundaries are the policies that are in place, right? The mottos that the organization believes in. When it comes to public health, a lot of times, you can have the grandest ideas but you also have to know why something is occurring and what you are able to change and what you are unable to change. I was a person, I was never into politics, I was never into policy. But public health sort of pushes you into that, right? So for example, you have to take healthcare management and policy courses. If you don't know what a certain policy is, it's really hard to come up with an intervention or to come up with a solution to tackle the issue. If you don't like the way a certain thing is going or you're like, "Why is this," you know, "why is there this huge health gap here?" Let's say for example, in mental health, right? Why is it so unaddressed? Why is there this huge unmet need of the need for care, but there's not enough resources, right? Like, what is that missing piece? And a lot of it is from policy. And so you have to advocate for the people who cannot possibly advocate. You have to show up, you have to speak to people who are in, you know, traditionally, what we call seats of power, right? Your councilman, your mayor, your representative. You have to show up, you to let them know what you care about and how that issue impacts your life. What are the gaps there? But you also have to propose to them that, you know, the person that you're going to like, "You are sitting in a position of power, you have X number of funding, and here's what I'm proposing and this is why we're proposing it." So you kind of bring your plan to the table. And eventually, when enough people talk about a certain plan, it's going to raise awareness. It's gonna, you know, turn something on for the person who's making that decision. And if you don't change policy and you don't advocate for change, these gaps that you're so frustrated about or you're noticing everywhere, those are not gonna change. So you can't really, you know, move forward. If anything, you're moving backwards, if you're not advocating, if you're not doing policy work.
Aman Chopra: What's really interesting, folks, is that before Nura came to this episode shoot, she's come from work. She's gonna shoot this episode, and now, she's going to do some advocacy work in Albany, and we're recording this in the city in New York. So Nura, it's really reassuring to see that there are people like you in the world of public health, and I'm sure you're gonna inspire a lot of people and I'm sure you have been inspired that by a lot of people that are doing similar things. And we're really glad that you have found your own path and you're gonna continue looking for the next level of your path. 'Cause you mentioned four things, I wonder what the fifth one is. When that comes up, we'll love to have you on the podcast.
Nura Anwar: Anytime.
Aman Chopra: Any final thoughts you'd like to leave the listeners with?
Nura Anwar: I guess my only final thought would be, don't stop pushing the boundaries. Just because there isn't a traditional path out there that you like, that's totally fine. Go ahead and create your own path. No one is gonna say no to you. The only person who might say no to you is you yourself, but learn to just shut that voice down. You're gonna face barriers but that doesn't mean you stop. Just keep pushing forward.
Aman Chopra: Folks, that was Nura Anwar. Nura, thanks for being on the podcast. We're trying out this new like button thing over here to remind you to like the podcast. And if you enjoyed it, please share it with your friends. And also, put something in the comments down below if you will have any questions or something you love from today's episode. Nura, we loved having you.
Nura Anwar: Thank you so much.
Aman Chopra: See you on the next one, folks.
Aman Chopra hosts the I AM GPH podcast at NYU School of Global Public Health. With a keen interest in production, technology, and entertainment, he holds a master’s in Integrated Design and Media from NYU Tandon School of Engineering. Outside of podcasting, Aman is a public speaker and stand-up comedian in New York City.